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Old December 5th, 2009, 06:08 PM
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I'm installing non ic remodel recessed cans in my kitchen ceiling. There is no insulation, however I found a wire that will come in contact with the can when installed. Is this ok? Also, how close can I get to a copper water pipe, pvc drainie and a of ceiling joists from the cans? I'm worried about the heat created. Thanks inadvance. water pipe

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Old December 6th, 2009, 07:53 AM
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If I remember right in the manufacturer's installation instructions a minimum of 2" clearance is required for anything from that nonIC tank. Check manufacturer's installation instructions to confirm my memory.

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Old December 6th, 2009, 09:47 AM
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I'm installing non ic remodel recessed cans in my kitchen ceiling. There is no insulation, however I found a wire that will come in contact with the can when installed. Is this ok? Also, how close can I get to a copper water pipe, pvc drainie and a of ceiling joists from the cans? I'm worried about the heat created. Thanks inadvance. water pipe
If you have enough slack in the line, you could take some plumbers tape (Vinyl not metal) and suspend the wire away from the can, or pull it to the side maintaining 2" of separation. Copper plumbing lines shouldn't be a problem, but I'd reroute if I could. PVC would probably deform if too close and the main problem would be if it's directly above the can, and again, I would reroute. You could also place a sheet metal deflector between the can and anything else you might worry about. Take a strip of sheet metal long enough to span the floor/ceiling joists and screw it in between the object and can making sure nothing is touching. Also you have the choice of putting in a CFL or LED bulb, but then you don't know who is going to change the bulb in the future.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 10:40 AM
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The separation is most likely 3 inches in all directions.

I would return the non-IC and install IC rated. Not a big difference in price.

With IC: Then install a short piece of insulation between the cable, and plumbing pipe. (Note: The only separation between the pipe and recess can will be the insulation)
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Old December 6th, 2009, 05:25 PM
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Are there 4" remodel ic rated cans? Also, the 3" clearance is just from the bulb house and not including the wire box??? If that box touches something would that be a problem?

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Old December 6th, 2009, 05:27 PM
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No way to move the wire just a little ?
The IC rated cans are MUCH bigger then the non-IC can
So if you can't move the wire an IC can will not fit
Even an inch away would do it

Will it touch the side...top...?
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Old December 6th, 2009, 05:57 PM
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There are can locations that I'm having trouble installing. The first spot, is an inch from the ceiling joist because a water line was in the way, forcing me to move closer to the joist. So, I guess I can install a sheet metal barrier against the joist. The wire box also gets close to a pvc drain line and a passing wire. Is the wiring box a fire hazard, or can object come in contact? Secondly, I removed a flourescent light strip above the sink and want to replace with a similar recessed can. The problem is there are several wires(3 way junction) that may touch the light housing when pushing the can up to install. Not sure what to do here. Thanks.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 08:23 PM
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No they do not have 4" IC rated remodels.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 09:06 PM
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Old December 7th, 2009, 06:40 AM
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can either a copper, pvc pipe or a wire touch the electrical box that extends away from the housing?
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