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    Default sprinkler in an ice hotel?

    Here is question that I just came across without an answer.

    Would an Ice Hotel require a sprinkler system?

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    Default For sure here.

    Cuyahoga River Fire
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    On June 22, 1969, the Cuyahoga River caught fire in Cleveland, Ohio. The blaze lasted just thirty minutes, but it did approximately fifty thousand dollars in damage -- principally to some railroad bridges spanning the river. It is unclear what caused the fire, but most people believe sparks from a passing train ignited an oil slick in the Cuyahoga River. This was not the first time that the river had caught on fire. Fires occurred on the Cuyahoga River in 1868, 1883, 1887, 1912, 1922, 1936, 1941, 1948, and in 1952. The 1952 fire caused over 1.5 million dollars in damage.

    On August 1, 1969, Time reported on the fire and on the condition of the Cuyahoga River. The magazine stated,

    Some River! Chocolate-brown, oily, bubbling with subsurface gases, it oozes rather than flows. "Anyone who falls into the Cuyahoga does not drown," Cleveland's citizens joke grimly. "He decays". . . The Federal Water Pollution Control Administration dryly notes: "The lower Cuyahoga has no visible signs of life, not even low forms such as leeches and sludge worms that usually thrive on wastes." It is also -- literally -- a fire hazard.
    As a result of this fire, Cleveland businesses became infamous for their pollution, a legacy of the city's booming manufacturing days during the late 1800s and the early 1900s, when limited government controls existed to protect the environment. Cleveland and its residents also became the butt of jokes across the United States, despite the fact that city officials had authorized 100 million dollars to improve the Cuyahoga River's water before the fire occurred. The fire also brought attention to other environmental problems across the country and helped lead to the passage of the Clean Water Act in 1972.
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    Bedding and furnishings will burn. The resulting heat can cause melting and therefore weakening of the structure.

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    Would you rely on the structure to put out the fire-if you where the owner.
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    I guess it would be a dry system if they had one.

    That river caught fire more than once.
    The fact is that the Cuyahoga River caught fire from debris that collected in the crooked river's bend. The short-lived fire was out before the local press reached the scene to record images of its blaze. But it was a fire that followed ones in 1868, 1883, 1887, 1912, 1922, 1936, 1941, 1948 and the most devastating of all--the 1952 blaze that resulted in nearly $1.5 millions in damage.

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-msc061704.php
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    Fire suppression is required in buildings classified in use requiring the fire suppression depending on occupancy load and building structure and cubic feet of building and availability of water source. Each condition calls for different levels of fire protection.

    Example if this ice hotel contained an auditorium with seating capacity of thousands would you want to be in this building if a fire starts. REmember before you answer that gas and elctric is in this building even made of ice as well as curtains, decorations, furniture, contents. It is not so important that the building is made of ice but what is the use of the building, total area of the building in size and contents within the building.

    What if this building was made of ice and contained magnesium storage in huge quantities. Now this building would have problems with fire supression. REason Magnesium is so hot the fire increases when water is applied to the fire. The fire suppression system for this magnesium storage would have a bigger problem when the ice melts and the water from the melting building is feeding that magnesium fire. This is why we have fire marshals offices and engineers to address each large building to grade the risk of that building. This fire rating of this building declared by the fire marshals office dictates the design and use and contents allowed in this building.

    Just because a building is made of frozen water does not make this building safe from fire.

    When talking of rivers burning it brings back history in my county containing Flat Rock River. One day years ago there was such an explosion that the fibrations from that explosion was felt across neighboring counties including our entire county. It is now called the blow hole. A natural gas vein created a pocket under water in the river bottom. Somehow a spark was created whether by lightening or other unknown source. This spark ignited a blast so huge it was felt and heard for miles. It lasted only minutes and the fire was over. Then unbelievably the river started flowing backwards and flowed backwards and forwards into the hole blown in the river for weeks before the hole filled with water. This blow hole still exists and no one is sure whether or not it can blow again under the right conditions. The natural gas is still present in that area under that river and bubbling into that deep water hole where the original blow hole occurred. It is a remote location in our county in the country and those living in the area all know what happened years ago.

    Things happen even when we have a guarentee it can never happen. Just read the conditions and depend on your officials to guide you on minimum safety concerning fire suppression and building classification.

    Good Luck

    Wg
    Last edited by Wgoodrich; December 10th, 2007 at 03:29 PM.

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